tv Martin Bashir MSNBC November 21, 2012 1:00pm-2:00pm PST
privately, they admit, they probably won't beat christie next year, which means he'll get to take the shot at the white house in 2016. i don't think the nice words he had for obama will hurt him much with republicans four years from now. i mean, do you want to be the republican candidate who gets up on stage with christie and tell him he shouldn't have praised the president's response to a natural disaster destroying his state? i don't think i would. that does it for "the cycle." karen, take it away. >> good afternoon. i'm karen finney in for martin bashir on this wednesday, november 21st. democrats are crying out, don't let boehner and the boys ruin thanksgiving again. >> right now what i want to make sure of is that taxes on middle class families don't go up. >> why not ask millionaires and billionaires to pay more? >> republicans essentially say, hey, why don't we just cap deductions? what's better? >> you make it clear if someone breaks the pledge you'll do whatever can you to get rid of
them. >> to educate the voters that they raise taxes. again, we educate people -- >> to get rid of them. >> it won't kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires. >> even somebody worth $200 million. that first $250,000 they're still paying lower taxes. >> my colleagues on the other side of the aisle still recovering from november 6th, the election is over. >> presidential election, your prediction was wrong. >> big time. >> people are open on entitlement reform in a way they haven't been in the past. >> my analysis based on fact, not emotion. >> oh, my -- >> oh, wow. >> things people are saying about the election that are not true, but it makes them feel better to say it anyway. >> we start on a very important day that the world can be thankful for. a cease-fire in the middle east. secretary of state hillary clinton is heading home now
after she and her egyptian counterpart announced the deal to end hostilities and greater cooperation between israel and gaza in the near future. >> the united states welcomes the agreement today for a cease-fire in gaza, for it to hold, the rocket attacks must end. a broader calm returned. the people of this region deserve the chance to live free from fear and violence and today's agreement is a step in the right direction that we should build on. >> this news comes after more than a week of violence that claimed 140 palestinian and 5 israeli lives. obviously, this day belongs to the israelis and palestinians. but americans should also look at today as proof that we got it right on election day. i want you to take a look at that scene again. that moment lasted just a few minutes. but it represents a week of slow, deliberate diplomacy by the president, secretary clinton and obama's foreign policy team. and a lot of patience.
there was no sabre rattling, no caustic words, no cheap shots. for that you needed to turn to the republicans. >> if this god forbid conflict escalates, again, it is a sign of american weakness throughout the region. before in crises henry kissinger or jim baker was there, somebody was there brokering the process and bringing about a halt to it. now the president makes phone calls from burma? >> really, senator? phone calls from burma? because here's what the israeli prime minister's office tweeted after one of those phone calls. prime minister netanyahu spoke with president obama and accepted his recommendation to give the egyptian proposal for a cease-fire a chance. that's right. the phone call, mocked by the senator, likely helped to end the blood shed in the middle east. the only other thing republicans could do was issue a statement. now, did they thank hillary
clinton for what may be her swan song as secretary of state? no. did they acknowledge president obama's leadership? no. no mention whatsoever. however, they did manage to thank just about everyone else. that's right. senator mccain took the opportunity on this historic day to once again attack the obama administration. so much for the spirit of thanksgiving. joining us now from washington, democratic congresswoman donna edwards of maryland. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. it's good to be with you. >> i want to talk about the president's foreign policy in a moment. in was a very big day for secretary clinton. high stakes when she made -- they made the decision to send her there. she's been able to help facilitate this historic announcement. >> comprehensive piece for all the people of the region. now we have to focus -- >> congresswoman, so this -- let's talk a little about what this day means for the secretary
as she potentially looks at a run in 2016 but potentially is looking at the end of her time at the state department. >> well, i think today actually highlighted exactly why hillary clinton is a leader. i mean, the secretary of state did what she needed to do. she went in there. she brokered the conversations that had -- were the groundwork that had been laid by the president and did it in a very deliberative and thoughtful manner which is the way she's conducted herself and our foreign policy over the last four years. it was a proud moment, too. we didn't quite know what to expect from president morsi, but he -- and she was able to give him credit for that, which i think was very important along with prime minister netanyahu. and i think it actually made the difference between having a cease-fire, even though it is tenuous to be the groundwork for future talks. >> you know, congresswoman, so it did make the difference but
then why is it that you think senators john mccain and lindsey graham cannot seem to give the president even the smallest bit of credit when, you know, this is his foreign policy, this is what he talked about in terms of diplomacy over sabre rattling, and it's working? >> unfortunately, senator mccain and senator graham remind me of the kids on the playground and they need to be put in time-out. what we know is that it was important, actually, for the president and for secretary clinton to are the space they needed without all the commentary from u.s. elected officials to conduct what was a really important and catalytic diplomatic moment. >> you know, talking about having the space to actually do their jobs, republicans have been hammering the president over benghazi. frankly, they started it almost immediately after those attacks. lindsey graham today sent the president a five-page letter with a list of questions on it. here's just one example. he says, can you please account, as you did during the raid on osama bin laden's compound in
pakistan, for your actions during the seven-plus hours our consulate was under attack? now, i have never heard anything so obnoxious. this is a senator asking the president of the united states to account for his whereabouts? >> well, i have to tell you, i mean, what's really disturbing is that i've always had a problem with various members of the house of representatives and senators conducting foreign policy. it's the purview of the president and secretary of state and administration to conduct our foreign policy. obviously, we have to provide oversight for that but this doesn't have anything to do with oversight. you know, it's continuing what was really a loss in the election. and they just can't get over it. as a result, they continue these kind of nefarious attacks on the president, asking for accountability when the president doesn't need to answer to them but answer to the american people. >> well, time and again it seems this idea that they just don't seem to get it. they lost. americans voted for this president. again, his strategy seems to be working.
the other thing i find troubling that i want to ask you about is we do know that they did have access to some of the same intelligence. we do know, for example, congressman darrell issa and jason chav its, there was intelligence suggesting a covert operation. so there were legitimate reasons and here we are arguing about talking points rather than talking about the security situation there in libya. >> look, i think there are legitimate questions that need to be asked and answered in the right venue. but what has happened, particularly with benghazi, is rather than getting to the heart of the matter, these republicans have tended to try to politicize it. they did it in the waning days before the election. and that continues. the president and the secretary of state, i think, have to have the ability to conduct our foreign policy, use the intelligence we have, without that being broadcast across the evening news. >> you know, i want to just shift gears a little on this issue because, you know, again
we're getting into an argument about talking points. but the person who is really taking the heat for that is our u.n. ambassador susan rice. you know, obviously there's been a lot of criticism of her. i think there's been a lot of attempts to make it clear she did exactly what anybody in her position would have done, with those talking points, given the situation we were in on that sunday when she went on the sunday shows. you know, some of the members of the congressional black caucus have raised the question, you know, would republicans be -- using a different tone if the ambassador -- the u.n. ambassador was white? here was senator graham's response. i want to play that and then let's talk about it. >> guys like you are being criticized by, for instance, members much the congressional black caucus, they say that you and john mccain are sexist and racists as well for criticizing ambassador rice. >> well, when you can't answer the question, you attack the questioner. the only color i'm worried about
when it comes to benghazi is red, blood red. >> you know, congresswoman, i'll tell you what strikes me is i'm a little cautious about getting into this territory in terms of, you know, citing race as part -- it may play into it, but it strikes me that the republicans are not thinking about the fact that they have just lost an election, largely based on the women's vote, african-americans and young people. here you have a ridiculously qualified woman. she is a ph.d. a rhodes scholar, they're questioning her competence, her intelligence, over a set of talking points. it does seem to be racial. there seems to be racial undertones in the criticism we're hearing. do you agree with that if. >> i don't know. what i can say is that these set of republicans have been determined to try to forestall whatever the president's decision is about who he's going to nominate for secretary of state. but that's bet their pattern, their modis of operating over
the course of this administration. the administration puts up a name and a certain set of republicans for whatever reason get in the way of it. so, i think this continues that. i will say, though, some of the language that's been used about ambassador rice, describing her as incompetent, as not smart, i mean, it's actually really offensive. it's offensive, frankly, as a woman because we all know that she comes to the job of ambassador of the united nations highly qualified, rhodes scholar, a diplomat, very well respected all across the world. and if the president chooses to nominate her, then the senate has the obligation, i think, to ask the questions they need, but to affirm that and confirm that nomination. but it's his choice, not theirs. >> i completely agree. i think it also plays into the narrative they just won't give this president the respect he is due as president of the united states and the decisions that he's making. congresswoman donna edwards, thank you very much for joining us. have a happy thanksgiving. >> thank you.
a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medicarerx saver plus plan from unitedhealthcare. with this plan, you can get copays as low as a dollar through a preferred network pharmacy like walgreens -- where you'll find 8,000 convenient locations. best of all, this plan has the lowest part d premium
it would appear mitt romney has moved on from the election, the 47% and his post-election comments to donors about gifts the president handed out to voters. here he is at disneyland looking like the terminator. for him the election is truly over. for his republican counterparts, here's speaker boehner on an editorial on the fiscal cliff. he makes it very clear that the battle over obama care is far from over. he says, quote, the tactics of our repeal efforts will have to change. we need to repeal obama care and enact common sense, step by step reforms that start with lowering
the cost of health care. clearly speaker boehner hasn't quite accepted the fact that the president was re-elected by an overwhelming majority. nope, is he right back to defending the 1% and corporate welfare at the expense of none other than the middle class. for more, we go to joy reid, managing either of grio.com and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. >> nice to be here. >> earlier we asked you to come up with a figure, because you know i have -- like a dog with a bone on this. we asked you to come up with a figure how much corporate welfare per year is dolled out. what did you find out? >> from the tax policy center, nonpartisan, highly reliable group, $150 billion in tax expenditures that favor corporations in 2012. so, there's your number. >> now, if i'm not mistaken, the amount we actually spend on entitlements that we actually are entitled to because we pay into a system is about half of
that? in terms of who's getting the better deal, corporate welfare seems like the better deal and if we're looking for cuts, maybe that's where we should start? >> i think the point is that in both of these cases it's absolutely nonsense, and i know you share this view, to write off all of the social programs as, you know, welfare that just layabouts are -- that 47%, clear nonsense. at the same token, there are certain things on the corporate side that you and i would probably agree on are useful tax policy. if you think about incentives for investment in new technologies, the tax credit, tax credit for solar and wind power. some of that is actually helpful. >> you're being far too reasonable. far too reasonable. >> now, some -- wait a second. let me get -- i don't know if it's unreasonable but let me tell you what i was about to say.
if you think about oil and gas subsidie subsidies, if you think about all the profits, and this is the big money stuff that are deferred, held overseas, if you think about the ability of private equity funds to deduct interest payments on their debt finance deals, all of that is corporate welfare. so you know, there's balance here to be seen. >> now, joy, i mean, you know -- i told joy earlier, speaker boehner is tripping. he writes that the tactics are -- >> i agree. >> -- repeal efforts have to change. are you kidding me? three times they've been defeated on this. what has to change is their attitude on this. >> oh, is john boehner going to be pissed when he finds out mitt romney lost the election. if they let him out of that time machine, he might be something. the thing i find humorous about this, as well as about the whole issue of taxes and whether or not we should repeal the bush tax cuts, is that republicans do seem to have decided that the election that just happened didn't really happen. and that they are going to propose pretty much all of mitt
romney's ideas as their negotiating starting point. well, we just -- >> we needed paul ryan actually to help get the job done. >> even having paul ryan talk about it. it's amazing. they decided while mitt romney lost the election, his ideas, they think won. i don't know how they get there. >> i feel like what they're trying to do is say, we lost, never mind but we're going to keep doing what we do. if we keep saying it enough, maybe -- >> i read that -- john boehner's op-ed pretty carefully. here's one thing he said. he said there are three ways to take down obama care, through the courts, through the election -- by the way, both of those haven't worked out -- three through what he called congressional oversight. to me, what he's saying there is congressional sabotage. >> right. >> maybe i'm -- maybe i didn't listen closely enough to, you know, civics back in elementary school, but the job of the congress is to implement the supreme court-backed law of the land. >> that's right. >> to me what he's saying is
really quite scary when you get down to it. >> i want to ask -- there's a question on that because essentially they've been defeated three times in each of those venues. what is it they're thinking -- now they're trying to drag it into the negotiations over the fiscal cliff, which does not sound like compromise to me. what am i missing? >> what they're thinking here is you can use smoke and mirrors to block the thing. you can send misses to health and human services to gin up all kinds of things to keep republicans happy. they're talking about blocking implementation of something the american electorate has voted on and supreme court has held constitutional. i find this to be a little scary. >> i think it's a lot scary. i think it outs them about not being sincere about wanting to work with the president at all. a final question to you. a month from today the congress is going on vacation. that's how long we have to get this fiscal cliff situation. are democrats going to hold
their spine and stand up to republicans on this? there's a lot of anxiety on the left about this. >> i think there is. while i think the president, if he could get it, would like to have a big deal before christmas. i think it's doubtful it will happen. i think the john boehner op-ed shows you why. boehner is still guarding his right flank. everything he does, he's still trying to give gimmes to the republican base. we can say all we want -- the republican operatives want to change the party. but the base of the party is still there. they still exist. the tea party base. not only are they still there, 87 are still in the lame duck congress. you see boehner regarding his speakership into december. i would say we get past december 31st, get to january 3rd, reorganize the congress and then they make a deal. >> let's hope that's right. thank you for joining us. have a great thanksgiving. >> you, too. next, the presidential pardon. stay with us. >> now, i joke but for the first
time in our history, the winners of the white house turkey pardon were chosen through a highly competitive online vote. and once again, nate silver completely nailed it. the guy's amazing. he predicted these guys would win. [ female announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day women's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for women's health concerns as we age. it has more of 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day 50+.
ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach, and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if you experience a sudden decrease or loss in vision or hearing. this is the age of taking action. viagra. talk to your doctor. president obama returned home from asia for the hole days. that's good news for a pair of prized birds awaiting his arrival. an annual tradition at the president granting pardon to two thanksgiving turkeys. that's where we find kristin welker from the white house right now. in addition to the turkey parting there was very serious business going on today. incredible diplomatic success for the administration.
what's the mood there at the white house? are they confident the cease-fire will hold? >> reporter: good afternoon, karen. first of all, i shouted out a question to president obama during that turkey pardon ceremony, trying to get him to respond for the cease-fire in the middle east. he wouldn't comment. i can tell you privately senior administration officials say they are cautious, they are looking at this cease-fire cautiously. they are, of course, encouraged by the fact that progress has been made. it's very fragile, as any cease-fire is in that region. president obama spoke with prime minister benjamin netanyahu today, reaffirmed the united states' commitment to israel's security. talked about the importance of trying to achieve a long-term or durable solution to this problem. of course, he also spoke with egypt's president morsi, reiterated similar ideas, emphasized the importance of a long-term, more durable solution. he thanked morsi for the role he played in brokering this cease-fire. i'm told by senior administration officials that the president's relationship
with mohamed morsi really got stronger throughout this process. so, they're encouraged by that. they are also saying secretary clinton really played a key role in these negotiations, so they are cautiously optimistic. >> two thoughts on that. i mean, obviously, secretary clinton's role, it was, you know, a high-risk decision to send her there. she's managed to come away with a deal. obviously, she and the president deserve a tremendous amount of credit. also this idea of strengthening the relationship with morsi because what i've heard from administration officials is they're concerned they haven't had the leverage with morsi they may have had with the previous head of egypt. are you picking that up as well? >> reporter: absolutely. and i think that was the concern sort of entering this process of trying to broker a cease-fire. of course, the relationship with morsi is quite different than it was with mubarak. they didn't know how this was going to play out. we saw that president obama was in continuous talks with morsi.
he spoke with him three times throughout a 24-hour period in one instance. so, i think they are encouraged by the way this all turned out. they feel as though it bodes well for future relations between the two countries. >> got to love the power of talking. thanks to kristin welker. have a great thanksgiving. >> reporter: you, too. thanks. stay with us. the day's "toplines" are coming up. ♪
♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. from planes and trains to automobiles to one unlucky gobbler. here are today's "toplines" the turkey has cooked. >> it seems thanksgiving day is upon us. >> well i'll see you tomorrow. gobble, gobble. >> the turkey pardoned by president obama tomorrow is staying at the "w" hotel. >> in the spirit of the season, i have one more gift to give. it goes to a pair of turkeys named cobbler and gobbler.
>> because he wants the turkey got into the mini bar he got totally basted. >> are you sure they're on the chopping block? >> thankfully we're in a good position. >> there's a turkey coming now, greg. >> thank you, jack. it's an hooner. >> the only organization to add strength, we lost the presidency -- >> do the pilgrims have twinkies? >> they were made with maize back then. >> twinkies, ho hos, ding dongs, forget the middle east. this is what america cares about. >> it ain't cool being no jive turkey so close to thanksgiving. >> my wife and i flew near jacksonville. they have a massage place. >> i was at chili's having the extra large beer you can increase in size for $2. delicious. >> i like swedish massage. they give good massage.
>> the old expression riding high in april, the rest of the lyric might as well be, pumping your own gas in november. >> presidential election, your prediction was wrong. >> big time. >> looks like he's been on a three-day root beer float drinking binge or something. >> the pros and cons of the macy's thanksgiving day parade. pro, can you sign up to be a balloon handler. con, balloon handler is david petraeus nickname. >> if you want to fight for a blu-ray player -- >> i haven't finished eating all my halloween candy. >> let's get right to our panel. krystal ball, co-host of "the cycle" and msnbc contributor susan and nina turner of ohio. senator turner, i want to start with you. let's talk a little turkey -- sorry, i had to do that -- about the war on women, because republicans, you know, they raged this war on women. they lost. women spoke. they don't seem to get it. in your state of ohio, for example, we've got republicans
pushing a bill that would defund planned parenthood and otherologic laother legislation looking at other legislation. what is going on in ohio? >> insanity. i mean, it's just maddening. these men pushing these bills and some misguided women, very few, they don't understand the intellect and import of women having the ability to make their own health care decisions. a lot of gop members talk about small government. they don't care about small government. maybe small government, small enough to fit into a woman's womb. they are using public policy to subjugate women and it's wrong, wrong, wrong all day long. they haven't learned their lesson. >> it seems like -- it's like, let's use the abortion issue to get some votes. it's always on the backings of women they're trying to play games for cheap votes. can this be defeated in the legislature? are there votes to defeat it? >> it did pass the health committee on a party line vote,
all gop, including women voting to that bill, and democrats standing strong for women to be able to have access to preventive health care. you know, we can say till we're blue in the face that planned parenthood, 3% of what they do have anything to do with abortion. even then, federal fund don't pay for a lady or a woman to have an abortion. but 97% of what they do is preventive. i had a gentleman in ohio say, keep fighting for planned parenthood. he had a breast cancer scare and he went to planned parenthood. these folks need to get a grip. let's start working on issues that are germane to continue to lift the economy and lay off women. they are crazy. you know, they would -- they would be happy when women are barefoot, pregnant, back home by 5:00 to cook dinner. >> well, that's not going to happen because despite what the republicans think, we won, by the way, and women were one of the loudest voices.
krystal, the president's affordable care act requires employers to cover birth control for their workers. this week a federal judge denied a request for a company called hobby lobby which sells arts and crafts supplies, they wanted to exempt themselves based on religious grounds. so, the fight against obama care, the fight against women. how did they not get the memo? >> well, i think some aspects of the party, some parts of the party did get the memo. the problem is, as you were pointing out, they rely on the religious right for votes. it's a key part of their party. so, they have really driven the agenda in terms of women's issues for years now. i would point you to the state legislature, as you were looking at. if you look back in 2011, we had historic year in terms of the number of antichoice provisions introduced and enacted in the state legislature. this year we've had a similar number introduced. fewer are actually being enacted but it's still, if you take 2011 away, it's still a record year
in terms of the number of provisions enacted. so, you know, just like in 2010 we had all the rhetoric about jobs, jobs, jobs, bob for jobs, in virginia bob for mcdonald's. it seems like a similar thing, they talk about one thing but the agenda they push is another thing. >> the thing that strikes me odd, particularly in the area of birth control, the u.n. this week say access to birth control is a basic human right. so, it seems like the united states is sort of lagging behind the rest of the world on such an important issue. susan, i'm going to have -- as my republican friend, what is going on with the republicans? why are we -- >> all right, it's not all republicans. >> but it's not just ohio. we have a republican legislature in michigan now trying to say a fetus should have tax status. it's across the country. i have no doubt -- you have john boehner basically saying we're going to try to repeal obama care. have i no doubt we're going to
come back to the anti-women measures. >> one thing you and krystal touched on, and so did the senator, this seems as a way of making your political bones. this is a way to prove you're conservative enough, by using the issue of abortion. frankly, this is what hurts republicans. we don't need to have a litmus test on every issue. it is very important for us to move beyond this. when you do talk about the legislation, about tax credits for fetus, that's disturbing -- it's also not to discount people's beliefs and how they see it. half this country polled are pro-life. for example, when you look at legislation and states -- take new york, for example. you may get an abortion as a minor. under age 18 you can get an abortion without parental consent. if you to want go to a tanning salon, you need a note from your parents. it doesn't always reconcile for everybody. >> krystal, john mccain essentially saying -- i'm going to talk about women. he saidings let's sill bill
clinton to the middle east. quickly, how about hillary clinton, who actually had success? >> who went to the middle east and was quite successful and happens to be quite respected and accomplished in her own right. and i also think, you know, his attacks on susan rice also to me bear some sexism. even attacks outside of john mccain, putting benghazi aside, she hasn't been nice enough. she's too ambitious. you would never hear that say about -- >> she's too tough. >> too ambitious. >> doesn't take guff from enough people. thanks and happy thanksgiving. >> thanks. >> happy thanksgiving. next, you lost. deal with it. there will be no dessert. victor! victor! i got your campbell's chunky soup. mom? who's mom? i'm the giants mascot. the giants don't have a mascot! ohhh! eat up!
new jammin jerk chicken soup has tasty pieces of chicken with rice and beans. hmmm. for giant hunger! thanks mom! see ya! whoaa...oops! mom? i'm ok. grandma? hi sweetie! she operates the head. [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. why use temporary treatments when you can prevent the acid that's causing it with prevacid24hr. with one pill prevacid24hr works at the source to prevent the acid that causes frequent heartburn all day and all night. and with new prevacid24hr perks, you can earn rewards from dinner deals to music downloads for purchasing prevacid24hr. prevent acid all day and all night for 24 hours with prevacid24hr.
prevent acid all day and all night for 24 hours oh, let me guess --ou see this? more washington gridlock. no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. a group of republican
governors didn't seem to get the memo that president obama won re-election handily. this is getting to be a theme, isn't it? they remain petulant saying they will refuse obama care and opt out of exchange base insurance coverage. julia epstein is a democrat strategist. thanks for joining me, guys. robert -- >> happy thanksgiving. >> -- i'm going to come to you first. earlier this week, secretary releasing guidelines on making sure people with preexisting conditions can't be denied coverage, but there seems to be a theme are republicans. democrats won, republicans lost, a key issue in the election. and here republicans are trying to block obama care. what gives? >> i think two things. first and foremost, clearly the president won for re-election. he won handily, no question about it. let's remind ourselves, karen,
quite frankly, republican governors also ran and won and also clearly won in their states, particularly in texas and some of these other red states where quite frankly they may not necessarily want obama care. having said that, the federal law does supercede -- but a thing called state rights and a thing called the state constitution, according to my numbers, 14 states have opted to get -- i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i mean, look, we've been through this now three times. they were going to repeal it, replace it. that didn't work. we went to the supreme court. the supreme court said, no, have you to implement it. they gave them the out on medicaid which will screw 3 million people, which i think is a bad decision. and then the president wins re-election. three times when they've tried to make this an issue, republicans have lost. now it feels like there's a hypocrisy, republicans who will generally say more power to the states, no, no, we'll turn power back over to the federal government. it seems inconsistent as well as cruel. >> i don't disagree with you in terms of being inconsistent.
a lot of republican governors sending mixed messages about this. obama care is the law of the land. the supreme court adds you mentioned spoke on this and reaffirmed that. governors have a right to govern their states the way they choose, based on their state constitution -- >> can i jump in on this? >> yeah, because my read is not when the supreme court of the united states says, you have to do this. you go. >> the supreme court gave the governors the right to do this. this has to be the most absurd position republicans have taken in the past year. there's a lot of competition for absurd positions. consider what republican governors are saying. they are saying, no to the opportunity to insure tens of millions of poor people even when they don't have to pay anything for it. the federal government pays between 90% and 100% of the state of state medicare expansion to insure on the order of 19 to 20 million poor folks. republican governors are saying no. even though a nonpartisan study
said in a state like arizona that arizona could gain 20,000 jobs and $1 billion in revenue, states like florida could gain $100 million in revenue because of monies they don't have to put into their own health care system and increased economic activity this would bring to the state, this is absurd and irrational position. there's only one reason republican governors are doing this. it is because they don't want to be primaried. this goes to the central issue for republicans. are they going to tell the crazy in the primary, the extreme right that have created a minority status for this party, that the positions they want the party to hold are ungovernable, they cannot win elections? are they going to stand up to them the way they didn't stand up to rush limbaugh, the way they didn't stand up to donald trump, stay rational positions or let the inmates be in charge of the asylum -- >> hoeld on -- >> hold on -- >> i'll let you respond in a moment. the other point i want to make is also in the days since the
election we've been hearing about wanting to be the kindler, gentler republican party and say we care about people. how does this kind of activity show that you care about people? >> let me step back. there are so many innuendos. to suggest, quote/unquote, people on the far right are crazy is not nice. >> it's a crazy position. >> okay. >> the point julian is making it's crazy to say it's a good idea to deny poor people health care. >> i wish we had more time of that. that's a disingenuous statement, pennsylvania and other states, the states do take take care of their elderly, their most vulnerab vulnerable. so, to suggest that some republican governors out there are turning away all this money and not taking care of poor people -- >> robert -- >> hold on. >> one at a time. >> that's not fair. that's simply not fair -- >> a factual issue -- >> one at a time. >> the federal government picks up 90% to 100% of the expansion of this medicare program to
insure tens of millions of poor people. states at most pick up 10%. they're still saying no even when someone else is footing 90% to 100% of the bill to give health insurance to the uninsured. that, my friend, is utterly crazy, irrational position. >> let me just quickly say, not all republican governors are appealing obama care. that's something that needs to be stressed as well. >> the point is they're trying to block this very important piece of obama care. then you also have, you know, today john boehner saying, you know, just reloading and saying, we're going to go right back to trying to figure out new tactics to repeal obama care. >> foolish. that's a foolish statement, foolish tactic and i'll be the first to say it. the american people have spoken. the american people say we want this president to run for another four years, be in the white house. the supreme court has spoken on this. i don't understand why speaker boehner would say something like that. >> i bet you a dollar to a doughnut the republican
governors will back down within two to three years. no way any republican governor, even if they're a far right governor l say no to the opportunity to insure millions of people for ten cents to the dollar. there's no way they will. >> when any republican governors decide to run for president, we'll be there to remind them they stood in the way of health care. have a great thanksgiving. >> you, too. >> stay with us. you won't find a "home rule" on every corner, a "stag provisions" down every block, or a "hugh and crye" in every town. these are the small businesses of america, and all across the nation they're getting ready for their day. hundreds of thousands of small businesses are preparing for november 24, a day to open doors, and welcome the millions of customers who will turn out to shop small. small business saturday. visit shopsmall.com and get ready. because your day is coming.
now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the difference that quality time with our members can make... that's a very nice cake! ohh! [ giggles ] [ male announcer ] humana thanks the physicians, nurses, hospitals, pharmacists and other health professionals who helped us achieve the highest average star rating among national medicare companies... and become the first and only national medicare advantage company to achieve a 5-star rating for a medicare plan... your efforts result in the quality of care and service we're able to provide... which means better health outcomes... and more quality time to share with the ones who matter most. i love you, grandma! [ male announcer ] humana.
there is no substitute for a just and lasting peace. >> former u.s. ambassador mark ginsberg joined us as expert on middle east and he joins us today. >> hello. >> we were talking about this the other day. this is a very big deal for the administration and a very big deal for secretary clinton. how much credit do you think she deserves in this? >> the fact she came flying in from a victory lap in asia and had to immerse herself in the swampy waters of this negotiation deserves credit because she basically stepped in with president morsi of egypt and forged a -- hopefully more than temporary alliance with the egyptians on this. my hats off to her. she deserves a lot of congratulations pulling this out given the odds at stake. >> some say she should have sent her husband. instead secretary clinton went and got the job done. i lieu that. the secretary plans to leave the administration at some point
during the president's second term. given what's happening in the middle east right now, obviously she's got a great success, but the petraeus scandal, some other hot spots going on, and even a question as to whether or not, you know, this cease-fire agreement is going to hold. is that potentially going to complicate her ability to depart? >> well, not to make a shameless plug on myself, but i literally just posted a field guide to this gaza troop and discussed this very issue in "the huffington post." what i essentially wrote was the following, that this is a hot potato not a good time for her to drop. while at this point in time her reputation is more than enshrined with her good achievements, the fact of the matter is that it's very hard for anyone to walk away from this after she just established this rapport with the president of egypt. so, i'd like to see her at least see if she can get some legs on this agreement, even though it's the worst type of reward that you want to inflict on her at this point. >> obviously the president also
played a very significant role in making this happen. many phone calls while he was multitasking from burma. this is a big deal for the president. it's a big deal also for the relationship between the president and president morsi. there was some concerns, i talked with others about this, in the aftermath of the change in government in egypt that we needed to find sort of new ways to build relationships and build our leverage with egyptians going forward because of some other events in the middle east. >> i agree, karen, because the president did make all those calls and worked the phones repeatedly and tirelessly to try to get this agreement in order to forestall israeli incurse into gaza. the fact of the matter is the president's policies in the middle east have, shall we say, been in deep ice in the last couple of years. he has not achieved the breakthroughs that he wanted when he went to cairo in 2009. and while many on his team have abandoned the playing field,
mitchell, dennis ross, this is a unique opportunity for him to reinvigorate his middle east leadership and bring a new team in with new ideas and strategies to resurrect the commitments he made in cairo which is essential to u.s. long-term interest. >> the other relationship is the one between the president and prime minister -- mr. netanyahu, who actually praised the president's diplomatic efforts within this. he's got an election coming up. it's been something of a rocky relationship, if you will. how does this -- the president's involvement strengthen his relationship with netanyahu going forward? >> there's been all this criticism of this relationship, the dysfunctionalty over political issues, negotiations. one thing that's quite clear to me in watching the president very carefully, after the election, he didn't need the jewish vote in florida or new york, and yet he stood up to the plate, he had his reels backed when israel was being attacked with these -- with this onslaught of missiles and he deserves a lot of credit for
standing by israel at a time when there would have been a lot of people saying -- >> thank you, ambassador. we have to leave it there. thank you, ambassador ginsburg, have a wonderful thanksgiving. >> thanks to you. want? i don't know! let's go see. vizio 60" smart led for $688. that's a $310 savings. that is amazing! the first and only place to shop this black friday. savings start at 8pm thursday, more electronics at 10pm. walmart. [ male announcer ] you've reached the age where you don't back down from a challenge. this is the age of knowing how to make things happen. so, why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. 20 million men already have. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach, and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away
if you experience a sudden decrease or loss in vision or hearing. this is the age of taking action. viagra. talk to your doctor. a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medicarerx saver plus plan from unitedhealthcare. with this plan, you can get copays as low as a dollar through a preferred network pharmacy like walgreens -- where you'll find 8,000 convenient locations. best of all, this plan has the lowest part d premium in the united states -- only $15 a month. open enrollment ends december 7th. so call today or visit your local walgreens.